Two Interviews on Palestine

David,

I know that you are looking at natural instances / natural revelation (by the implementation of the Law as a discipline). Still I would like indicate to you that mixing the Law, and Religious Freedom can be highly dangerous, even destructive in approach.

When Freedom of Faith is confused and mixed up along with all of that? I do wonder?

You need to focus on Freedom of the Faith and the Law (in terms of a discipline).

Mixing up Law with religious freedom (issues that are lawless, eccalisticaly) with the Freedom of Faith is (in the forms itself) is destructive and fruitless.

The Law (natural form /revelation) in essence cannot cover issues concerning “religious lawlessness”. “Religious Lawlessness” can be allowed; it is not lawful, however.

I do find your arguments accurate and at time misdirected simply because of things that I explained to you. Can you please correct that? This is why. I believe that you have a clear perspective, however, religious issues are of craze and haze of a maze/labyrinth is almost in a dead-end. Still, not quite so always.

What I mean is this: There has to be a sense of the direction when in all that confusion.

Further, seeking some percentage is awkward since populations should be integrating under spiritual authority of Old Testament.

Does mandate and provision of the mandate means also (in a valid interpretation) that Jews, as people — people of indigenous Faith and origin– people in relationship to Holy Land have right to Freedom of Faith, and also the right to self-determination?

Is this what the Administration of Palestine itself would have to secure for immigrating Jews) by legit laws that existed and were pursued without any violation?

However, right to a “Hebrew/Jewish state” in Holy Land was never the “Freedom of the Faith” or the Freedom of Jewish national identity, as you know that by historical documents (natural and Special Revelation / history recorded in terms of Special Revelation terms: Old/New Testament.

We know that Jews as people of Faith and as nation itself can’t require to obtain things beyond kingdom of Judah and Samaria / the Israeli kingdom in Holy Land itself, as we can’t move on any “ancient landmarks” (as Church-valid) by the Old and New Testament instruction and tradition of that. Neither can any other Faith of the Book.

Current Landmarks are lawless/invalid, as we cannot change that what is written in the Scriptures and attempt else what. We can only attempt to correct under inspired instruction — or do nothing at all.

Old Testament tells us about Hebrew people, Hebrew language, and Hebrew national origin. With that a Hebrew entity in the Holy Land is unacceptable by the order of the Faith, and in corporately terms Jewish/Hebrew people (Arabs or Jews) have to reconsider.

I would say that obfuscated lily is Holy Land when considering all in all against Freedom of Faith/s and right of indigenous population/a specific tribes (if not people in danger of extinction) in Holy Land for self-determination (rights of any peoples under universal/international law Jews or Arabs).

Gene

I know the truth is hard to swallow but you cannot paper it over and call me a distraction because I point out the factual inaccuracies that constitute part of an an Arab narrative that are without substance.

Let me repeat – 70% of the land in Palestine in 1948 was State owned land that had been vested in the Ottoman Empire for 400 years until 1919 when it then vested in Great Britain until 1948 to then come under Israel’s control.

To keep calling these State lands – 70% of Palestine – “Palestinian land” belonging to the “Palestinians” is simply not correct.

Mr Knightly goes even further and erroneously says only 12% was State land – claiming that 82% was privately owned Arab land. Of course that connotes most of the land in Palestine was in private Arab hands – when it was not.

I have asked him to provide the source of his information and so far he has not done so.

He has also not responded to my claim that there is a Custodian of Absentee Owners Property in Israel that deals with claims by anyone claiming to own land in former Palestine.

You then propagate the furphy that “the Zionists pushed out the Palestinians under the Plan Dalet, which was the master plan for the expulsion of the Palestinian Arabs.”

Should I also allow this distorted and inaccurate comment to go unchallenged?

Six Arab armies invaded Palestine in an attempt to destroy the newly declared Jewish State. That is what principally caused the Palestinian Arabs to leave Palestine as the overwhelming majority of them were told to leave their homes by these Arab States to enable their armies to destroy the Jews.

Listen to this interview with one such refugee

For you to assert my comments are irrelevant and boring is utterly offensive.

Gene

Thank you for pointing out that Laurie Knightly is a female and my apologies to Ms Knightly. I had previously referred to her twice as a male in an earlier comment addressed to Professor Falk and he did not correct my error. Maybe Professor Falk was also unaware of her gender.

So you can now see how discussion can bring agreement on facts. Well done Gene.

Can we – you, Ms Knightly and myself – now reach some agreement on these facts – that 70% of the land in Palestine in 1948 was State land and had been so for the previous 430 years?

You obviously know Ms Knightly. Why don’t you get her to help you establish the correctness or otherwise of my claim?

She has so far refused to produce the sources for her claim that only 12% of Palestine was State land in 1948. She may respond more willingly to your request that she supply her sources.

No doubt you also have some Arab friends who can listen to the video I posted and verify whether the translation is accurate or not. I find your response to that video to be surprising and quite mischievous.

The calculation of State land being 70% of the total is calculated from page 257 as follows:

Total area of Palestine: 26320 sq kms

Identified State land : 15137 sq kms (10577+3000+660+990)

Percentage State land: 57.5%

This was the apparently the position at the time of the Peel Commission in 1937.

If you go to page 258 you can read the following:

“When the settlement of rights is complete there is no doubt that this figure of 1560 sq kms (ie 660 + 900) will be considerably increased particularly as it includes land set aside for communal use and development of the hill villages”

Certainly my reliance on Aumann’s claim of 70% is far more reliable than Ms Knightly’s still unsubstantiated 12% and your still unsubstantiated 9.8%

Brewer

Sorry to disappoint you – but you have got it wrong yet again.

This extract from the Palestine Royal Commission Report 1937 exposes the falseness of your claim:

“This definition of the National Home (as made by Churchill in the 1922 White Paper – my comment) has sometimes been taken to preclude the establishment of a Jewish State. But, though the phraseology was clearly intended to conciliate, as far as might be, Arab antagonism to the National Home, there is nothing in it to prohibit the ultimate establishment of a Jewish State, and Mr. Churchill himself has told us in evidence that
no such prohibition was intended. This view was naturally shared by the Zionist Organisation, whose Executive, after examining the Statement of Policy, declared that “ the activities of the Zionist Organisation wiil be conducted in conformity with the policy therein set forth “. One reason why no public allusion to a State was made in 1922 was the same reason why no such allusion had been made in 1917. The National Home was
still no more than an experiment. Some 16,000 Jews had entered Palestine in I920 and 1921. The Arab population was about 600,000. It would be a very long time, it seemed, before the Jews could become a majority in the country. Indeed, as late as 1926, a leading Zionist stated that there was ” still little prospect of the Arabs being overtaken in a numerical sense within a measurable period of time ” ,* It was not till the great rise in the volume of Jewish immigration in the last few years, that the prospect of a Jewish State came wlthin the horizon. In 1922 it lay far beyond it.”

Sorry Brewer – I prefer to accept Winston Churchill’s sworn evidence to the Royal Commission and the Commission’s acceptance of that evidence rather than your fanciful unsubstantiated conclusions.

Mr Singer, how can you keep niggling and nit picking about percentages and maps of years ago when this kind of stuff is going on today: http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/11/24/israels-worst-fear/print

Isn’t it time, as Avram Burg told us in another context (Holocaust), it is time to move on?

Your history is irrelevant to the horrors being committed by the Zionists and fundamentalist nuts on the scene today.

David.

Speculative:

What part of “the Royal Commission in 1937 found that a final and really reliable statement of the Government domains and wastelands would not be possible until the operations of the Land (Settlement of Title) ordinance are concluded over the whole country” – do you have difficulty with?

The Peel Commision (an investigation initiated by and rejected by the British Government) was also rejected by the Zionists, thereby becoming just more waste-paper with which zealots endeavour to ignite debate. Even if it did possess some status, no-where in it does it contemplate the transfer of property rights. Partition referred to the administration of the country, not individual title to land

It is now obvious that you are intent on flaying this horse long after it is dead. I have no interest in furthering that pursuit.

Cherry-picking a pastiche of out of context quotes in order to prove a position to which you are already wedded does not reveal History, it merely demonstrates your bias.

A note to other readers.

My apologies for taking up so much of this thread. I had thought that the respondent was amenable to reason. It seems, in this, I was wrong.

Professor Falk

Brewer’s attempt to clarify and elaborate proved no more than a fiction of Brewer’s imagination.

I don’t really care what you or Brewer think of me.

I care about establishing facts and correcting misleading and deceptive statements such as those made by Brewer and Ms Knightly.

As you are a Professor of Law I believe you should have the same interest too.

A note:

Jordan Landmark in Land of Israel:

Any form of colonialnazism just prior to that within Land of Israel / Palestine?

What is Jordan, in essence, and its landmarks? Whos self-determination was Jordan?

Was it, in fact, self-determination of Jews / Faith of Jews violated by that landmark and whose self-determination was violating it?

Was it British or Palestinians / Jordanians who implemented that Landmark.

Were Jews mulled around, then killed, and then tricked on into the midst of colonialnazisam — just after they survived Holocaust? I am really thinking on this.

Alternatively, was it Jews who were tricked around and about — before and after Azusa street disorder? (A recent one, as I do not even have to mention First and Second Awakenings and their charismatic-church disorder that sealed many in satanic seals and blasphemy of God’s Spirit — that what is active in generational lines among the wicked, right now).

Who can yank Satan out by his tale alone? I am praying on for that work to be done.

I find important to look at each instance of colonionazisam / coloniofashisam (when of Jews and/or Non-Jews).

Which one, specifically and at what point in time? What took place in that time –all around? What were they up to?

Let’s look at this specifically: What has colonialnazisam done in Holy Land, each point in time — but is it necessary to be stopping just before destruction of the Temple (which took place sometime within close time of AD 70.

Was this in fact of Greco-Romans or not?

This is quite a bit to go about. I get sick reading Church-history, and I can’t do that.

David,

you write:

“What is happening at the moment is the attempt to create a second Arab State – in addition to Jordan – in the area of Mandatory Palestine – but excluding any part of that third State being located within Jordan.
Negotiations over the last 20 years have failed to create such a third state – and any hope of doing so is dead and buried.”

I agree with you.

Another Arab state in Holy Land is a dead hope, in fact. It should remain so.

“99.99% “ was interesting undertaking and a form of a formal pledge that has not stood the Test of Times or Faith – and how much of that pledge can be corrected?

Could it be 99.99% correction to wrongdoings?

As you understand – just by outline of some facts Palestinians cannot accomplish what they are asking for.

It is Between Jordan and British, first, as Arabs they can not keep on initiating unnecessary blood – that which was implemented by British (on behave of Arabs, and then Jews) .

Arabs had Arab State that they were part of — they can go back to it or be content with Immigrating Jews to the Holy Land, and that by the claim of Faith — a claim of a pure Faith.

Arabs have fulfilled all their self-determinations in Holy Land. Their self-determination of Faith/religion is over in Holy Land.

Jordan and Israel should negotiate as they have a problem of lay-people of Palestine/Jordan, who are clenched between Jordan and Israel and who are discontent in Holy Land Territory that is under spiritual authority of Old Testament and also under protection of Faith-Laws of Old Testament / Canon Law of the Church.

Any grave harm has to be prevented. When will Jordan and Israel go to British and say “We have to and should negotiate.”

Further, things of Faith are not negotiated — they are discerned and are done. Everyone has to do their generational reversals to annul everlasting consequences on their part.

Potted version has answered all my questions.

David,

I thank my God for you.

Do you understand this:

What is Gaza?

Is Egypt a province in Land of Israel — or is Israel a province in Egypt?

Positioning of Gaza has to be resolved.

Was / is Gaza a province of Jordan or not? Alternatively, Gaza does not belong to Jordan but Egypt?

There has to be a corrected landmark with Gaza and Israel — a valid one has to be. Who is responsible for that? Is it Egypt and British?

Alternatively, will Jordan have to give landmarks to Egypt, Gaza, and Israel?

We can look at this in another way: How much of Gaza is hoarded on by Israelis and how much Land of Israel is hoarded on by Egypt? Did British implement and allowed this hoarding?

Is Gaza independent from Egypt, Jordan and Israel, and what are their landmarks?

We must look as far as ancient History / ancient landmark — the position of Gaza is where?

David,

I understand that contemporary Gaza is nothing else but the Gaza of Old Testament – which became Holy Land / Land of Israel that after that was claimed by Ottoman Empire (most recently), and then the part of Mandatory Palestine from which present day Gaza is – a part that is not Egypt within the Holy Land Territory, as Holy Land Territory is part of Egypt.

Is this correct? When so / based on this I understand this:

With that Gaza of Holy Land territory is not negotiated with anyone else but Egypt – not Gaza’s peoples as they are either Jews that were forced into Islam conversions or are offspring of tribes that were conquering as Ottoman Empire and converting Jewish Diasporas and /or Jewish population that was not recent Diasporas as that in Holy Land.

Then after at the end of 1946 Jews were uprooted from Holy Land / contemporary Gaza. (I understood that, as well).

Contemporary Gaza is not something like a province of Egypt or Israel, but it is Holy Land.

Dear David,

You write: “Not sure what you mean by “hoarding”. Please elaborate”

The best elaboration I can think on is this: “a tall fence used to screen off a construction site” due to inclinations to “hoard” on things that are not needed or owned.

Territory of Egypt can be allocated for Gaza’s population that refuses to live under spiritual authority of Old Testament just as Jordan can be allocated for Palestinians who refuse to accept spiritual authority of Old Testament in Holy Land and Faith Laws according to the order of.

Negotiating peace in Holy Land will be dead-end to anyone without Egypt repentance and repentance of Jordan based on issues with British and Ottoman Empire and the landmarks of Holy Land.

With that, they can not give them self’s to many choices around that.

Still they can have any way they want or think should have.

However, if you or anyone are to achieve sustainable peace — you have to focus on all significant sins (generational) of others concerning Landmarks and each generation that keeps Landmark and Holy Land in a lawless existence.

Landmarks of theirs — but still is up to their free will to correct wrongdoings over things that are in their ability and/or spiritual authority.

We can only ask for Landmarks of Holy Land by the claim of Faith and by the spiritual authority of Old Testament (not ours).

We can give them many options, as well, as they can do whatever as we can not force them to accept the Faith in our will-power. Still, God Himself can – and His ways are beyond anything we can imagine or think on it over generations and generational times.

Dear David,

I agree with you.

You write, “The best solution for Gaza would be for sovereignty to be vested in Egypt.” I am in an absolute agreement with you about this.

Things just have to be made known, and made clear. There is the time to say things as sometimes things just need to be said.

What must be said: The sooner there are negotiations with Egypt about Gaza’s condition, and directly with legit representatives of Arabs in Holy Land — the better is for everyone concerned.

Also, I have a nagging feeling that Arabs that are in Israel are not in the ability to deal with these issues so to uproot them — if they are to be one doing uprooting of Arab-Lawlessness in Holy Land?

I do not understand too much of the structure of Israeli governing and all that is going on with that, so that I can understand why am I reflecting on that for few days now. What is it that they should do and are not? I do not know – you may well know and understand. ( I hope I am not confusing you by this, as I do not know what exactly I am reflecting on, in reality).

I do know by the order of Scripture that Israel is in a bad position that paralyses them when comes to the law of Faith, and any Faith claim to the Holy Land – all this has to be corrected in a valid way, so that things are not in labyrinth again.

Things that are in Order of the Faith have to be in spiritual authority of the order of the Faith. People have to be in valid spiritual authority, as well or things will go off the cliff over and over again (especially with Arab people in Holy Land due to generational consequences – they have to be placed in conditions that will initiate removal of those consequences).

Concerning Palestine and Gaza:

There is no legitimacy to Palestine and Gaza, as their governing is in vote / elections-denied. Legitimacy was dead as soon as people who ask for or demand a new vote are killed / executed by radical residents of Gaza or Palestine.

Legitimacy of current governing in Gaza and Palestine has expired, and with that there is no one to negotiate with from within Gaza or Palestine, itself (just my assumption valid / not valid one). Not on the part of Israel, and not on the part of Arab peoples in Holy Land.

One has to listen to the people by the means of their vote — when applicable. This fact is just a harsh reality. I do not understand anymore why anyone even bothers about conflict, and negotiating with not legit representatives to people / lay-people.

Whoever has restricted new vote in Arab part of Holy Land is surely in consequence, as well. I do not believe in partiality as Gaza could have had reelected Hamas and dealt with another term under effects of a curse or blessings of their free will. However, their self-determination and impact of it should reflect the vote that they implemented. There is no vote. Now what? One cannot hold population hostage forever without vote available to them.

I believe that is the best to get the things moving for the legit voting that is available for the peoples in Gaza and Palestine. Otherwise, it will be necessary to take those people outside the grip of the present time, illegitimate rule, and invalid spiritual authority over them. However, also to put them in spiritual authority of Egypt itself and spiritual authority of Jordan, as lay-people of these territories.

To do so at least until there are some conditions that they can be brought back into the valid standing between themselves (independently as lay-people) in Holy Land and others in Holy Land. (That what is valid in relationship to their self-determination, legit laws, and legit vote.)

I believe you can understand and discern what these things mean from legit / legal perspective. I am just reflecting on my impressions and not telling you and anyone what to do.

Gaza, as ‘Gaza’, is the name that was given, and they as Gaza may have been a case basket for a appointed time. However, for another appointed time may have to “be put in the too hard basket,” as you said. However, that firmly structured basket may just have to be Egypt and Jordan, all together. Meaning, lay-people have to be under some non-lay people rule and order to a governing. If Egyptians want to be in Gaza and rule the Gaza – they may well also have the option to take their ancient tribes (Jews and Non-Jew ancient tribes) out of Gaza, as well.

People should have free will to be where ever they want unless are under consequence that grafts them in not in places (Holy Places) that declared a curse upon them due to generational sins / works. Thise things have to be balanced out – I see no other way that is best for people in Holy Land.

Arabs in Holy Land are turned upside down because they have try to take spiritual authority over people and Holy things that they just did not have. They did it in the past, and they are doing it now. The only hope is to take Arab lay-people out of that chaos and consequence when possible and as soon as possible.

I believe all people of Faith and conscience must be brought together into a dialog to do something that is valid and lasting – or at least to be at start working on that.

They must have new and a correct direction. Hoping that no-vote condition will bring about just outcome is a dead-end, unless there is a radical repentance in Gaza, and Palestinian leadership, which is not legit anymore, with certainty it is not. They have to be confirmed legit or removed as not valid by the legit vote.

Arab-Israel has and could have spiritual authority over Arab people in Holy Land. Israel alone has no spiritual authority over Arab lay-people under Islam (Invalid / forced conversions) in Holy Land. Not unless the Arab people are Jews that were forced into Islamic conversions from Islamic tribes from nations other than Jews and Non-Jews in Holy Land. (Arabs in Holy Land that were ancient Jews or non-Jews are under consequence if they practiced forced conversions over Jews under Old Testament Faith and Judaic order of it).

Therefore, there is no difference. This is why: they are under consequence and cannot be in Holy Land without consequence. ( Not as ancient Jews or Non-Jews who practiced lawlessness against Faith and order of the Faith in Holy Land that is under spiritual authority of Old Testament).

We understand lasing anarchy and illegitimacy of lay-people that is never corrected without specific order of the Faith and doctrine of the Faith.

Likewise, there are many particles to all of this, and there is also a real doom when people try to tell other people if they cannot have new voting.

One thing that belongs to all lay-people is a vote – if they will to have one, need or want one.

Newly structured elections under legit supervision, and oversight is the only Grace available for all that hindered and still hinder any course of will of the people in Gaza, as well as Palestine.

As long as there is no legit vote in Palestine and Gaza; I do not see another valid approach to peace negotiations. With Egypt and Jordan, it is possible I believe. They are the one who have act and annul on behave of their lay-people and with that secure self-determination for lay-people in Holy Land that are Arabs.

Lawlessness against Faith order cannot be allowed for extended periods (not as some form of right to self-determination of lay-people who are outside law of Faith.) To claim self-determination to a stream of people under denying of the vote to the same individuals is just not right, and not possible without rapid consequence.

Unless, Arab – Israeli (Arab population in Israel can regulate what Gaza and Palestine do/need) I see no hope for Arabs in Holy Land except trough spiritual authority of Egypt and Jordan.

There has to be a new structure of Gaza and Palestine in their rule –if they are willing to have one apart from Egypt and Jordan.

Otherwise, Egypt and Jordan should take on the responsibility for their lay-people and their works as well. As far as I understand no one actually is doing that, as it is not clear (from all perspectives) what is valid and / or just and right to be done.

When we deal with religions and requirements of it — there is no dialog or agreement to it. impossible. (Issues of religions are dead-end issues and may be trashed). The only hope is that people who are of Faith would be in more direct dialog and so try to clarify what people in Holy Land need and are entitled to. However, also what they do not need and are not entitled to. Likewise, as their needs and entitlement may be vested elsewhere for an accurate reason. I am sure that other who are more spiritual and more mature then I can know about these things without error, as I may be in error (as an individual).

With assurance lay-people, as well as, non-lay people can rest on their limitations. So this, in fact, is any self-determination in resting and no consequence. The problem is when self-determination of the people is cut off at the will of the people that is vested in very vote of these peoples. (Conditions and consequences of those conditions have to be made clear).

There is confidence in limitations of diplomatic force. Likewise, there is assurance in limitations of the ecclesiastical power – in forms of any of the Faith – when any.

People of Faith recognize self-determination of lay-people as well as non-laypeople and not only that one must understand the self-determination – one must understand types of self-determination; the consequences and benefits of each particle to them. One can be analytically and decide to go about that, in detail based on their resources and ability – this, however, may not be an individual task.

Concerning Egypt demolishing property that is in Egypt’s /Gaza border indicates that the self-determination of lay-people (Hamas has reached its limitations). I just understand that.

In general, self-determination of lay-people has its limitations.

Egypt has to and should do more, as well as Jordan as their lay-people, are on their own in Palestine and Gaza (Arab districts of Holy Land).

I believe I see this in a valid way.

I do not not know what else to tell you, David. I think that as long as there is a delay to legit vote in Gaza and Palestine they are in a denied right to negotiations to the peaceful resolutions, and correction of any evil doing. Their leaders blindly allow themselves are one who are taking away the rights to self-determination in Holy Land.

Egypt and Jordan should correct that for an appointed time.

We can repeat same things over and over – just to get the glimpse of further understanding. I see no other purpose thinking on these things anymore. When is an acceptable time for a step toward a legitimate change? The time is always “right now.”

With that Jordan and Egypt should make themselves available for negotiations with Israel as soon as possible. Jordan and Egypt they just have to take on spiritual authority over their lay-people and self-determination of those people, as well as their spiritual and natural well-being they must reconsider, in all.

World community should support them by all means and also charity that is reflected in love that is enduring.

Sustainable peace is possible — when people claim what is in their spiritual authority and get out of claims / things that are not in their spiritual authority. Everyone takes part, but first from accountability on their part and part of their lay-people. This is a fact, and whosoever will to balance out on this fact can do so. Whenever unable — they will be enabled if only they will. I myself will to do nothing, my limitations are credible to me.

First, I am faithful to I/me and I hate to be frustrated above my ability — as by that point God Himself is invoked to wrath to destroy and to judge (but this is try for all of us, not just I). However, Church Charismatic that is valid can be unmerciful by Spirit of God.

With that, I say when God Himself does not frustrate it is not valid to accept any frustration. (This was a note for other who may have other ideas on limitations and frustrations to human will).

I only hope what is best for Arab people in Holy Land, as they are the one who need Spirit of God to annul evil things over them (in natural and spiritual). However, the Spiritual Authority of Old Testament remains, and it does not change in Holy Land and Immigration of Judaism / Jews in Holy Land is and will be by the Order and claim of the Faith.

Dear Professor Falk,

I adore you just as I adore very holy fathers in the Church. I do not disagree with you; however, I reflect from many different perspectives. Mainly, my understanding is based on the harsh reality of some dynamics of spiritual forces.

There are definitly some cautions that are to be reconsidered, as you were pointing out.

I understood what you were saying, and you are right from your anchored position. You are absolutely not wrong.

I will give you explanations about these things — with assurance that you should not be distressed about my agreement with David. I have my reasons why I agree with David, and those reasons are based on valid and holy things – by Spirit I understand that he is just in his position that is inflexible in main things — just as you are and should be.

I have very good understanding around issues and matters concerning colonialism, and I have good understanding about “deference to the wishes of the people affected
and without consideration of such inalienable rights as that of self-determination.”

I will hope to explain this to you. I have unstructured brainstorming about it that I could write forever about it but without structre. I cannot write it down until I have to (when I am not moved in a specific order then I just cannot write).

David,

You wrote this: “Properly handled – not one Arab or Jew would have to leave his current home or place of business in Gaza or the West Bank..”

Do you understand what needs to be done so that “not one Arab or Jew would have to leave his current home or place of business in Gaza or the West Bank”?

Also, would you be able to be in Israel with Professor Falk, as soon as needed and as long as you would have to? You also understand that there were restriction to Professor Falk and his staying in Israel, and that needs and should be corrected. He needs to be there, and I believe that time for that is very soon.

“Then let the fighting and killing continue. A strange position indeed for you to adopt…”

Mr. Singer, it is only your intransigence, which is a reflection of the Israeli position, that allows the fighting and killing to continue. Until Israel, and its defenders like you, recognize the rights of the Palestinians, as Richard Falk advises, there will be no, nor should there be, peace. It is Israel that perpetuates these injustices, not the Palestinians.

I understand this: 

The current Israeli territory can be all in some neutral armistice lines with Jordan and Egypt. 

While Egypt and Jordan can be in Holy Land Territory to secure the stability and peace. Landmarks with Jordan and Egypt are null and void in Holy Land Territory and should likewise be armistice lines. So there would be overlapping of armistice lines and spiritual authorities / diplomatic conditions.

I believe that these conditions are possible based on Law of the Spirit.
 
Israeli can transition into repentance, and also renounce ways of colonialism, and Arabs can as well.

The state of Israel can be in the process of repentance and transition to legit Jewish Homeland Establishment in Holy Land.

The current state of Israel will also renounce way of the colonial evil.

With that, the state of Israel can and will peacefully integrate Jewish population according to the valid Rabbinic instructions (concerning the number of Jewish people that will immigrate into the Holy Land Territory). No one can just demand / restrict some numbers according to their mind / will.

The Territory of Holy Land has to be in neutral / diplomatic in status of some overlapping armistice lines.

No one can put another “state landmark” in Holy Land from this point on to another. They have to reverse what Arab and British’s colonialism has done with their lewless agreements and iligal landmarks in Holy Land.

Ecclesiastically illegal landmarks in Holy Land are never without consequence.

When false Christianity rejects the Faith of the Gospel and when they rejects obedience to the Faith of the Gospel that Church Charismatic wrote down and gave them by the Spirit of God and still gives them by the same Spirit by which Gospel was received and written down — they continuously reject and remain “not saves from judgement” of God but are judged imminently by the same Gospel and same Spirit of God.

They are not saved by Faith in the Gospel as they have none of the Faith / no abiding in the same Faith of the Church-Charismatic by the obedience to the Law of the Gospel / the Law of the Church, the Law of God’s Spirit.

Then that same Christianity stays not saved, becomes heretical, is also cut off, is accused, is excommunicated from the Church (spiritual and/or naturally). That is; it is cut off just as any dead branch is cut off from that which is the healthy branch of the Wine of God: Jesus Christ and Spirit of God that flows through the Wine of God: Jesus Christ. It certainly there is no Grace in Jesus Christ and His Church for cut of branches — they are burned in fire/ fire of hell.

There is nothing else to say about British colonialism. I do not even want to get into the issues about Arab colonialism.

Holy Land Territory between Spiritual authority of Old Testament /Jews has to overlap with Spiritual authority of repentant Arabs / valid Islam. With that peoples/exsiles can be integrated peacfuly where ever they have to integrate within Holy Land.

I do agree with David that Arab states are to take over security and spiritual authority of Arab population. However, only by neural / diplomatic armistice lines that are on / between Arab territory and Holy Land Territory.

Any other state presence in Holy Land is under condition to preserve natural and spiritual existence of Arabs in Holy Land.

Israeli cannot allow any party of Holy Land Territory to be unavalable to exiles that are under Judaism — not by the Law of the Spirit.

I would not trust this and all generations of Arabs to be repentant at this point to the next point in time to secure immigration and citizenship to Jews in Holy Land on their own, as Israel has to be burdened to be in spiritual and natural authority of Holy Land and forced / coerced into the spiritual authority of Old Testament.

This is the reason: we have some undiscerned texts that are part of Holy Quran, concerning all Jews (contemporary and ancient).

Let’s look and see if Jews can be coerced into obedience to the Old Testament claims of Faith and not coerced into the false Christianity wishes and submission to undiscerned Islamic texts (heresy) and Arab constitutions after these heresies (demands of false Christianity and false Islam).

We can ask Jewish Rabbis — we do not even have to ask lawyers of any Laws.

This is what Rabbi would tell us — yes they may be coerced into obedience — but no they can not be coerced into disobedience or forced to abandon and any claim of Faith by Old Testament Scriptures. I am sure of that is what they would say.

Church Charismatic is in spiritual authority of any undiscerned text prophesy in the age of the Church, including the texts of Holy Quran.

Arab constitutions in Holy Land are null and void: of Jordan, of Palestine and Gaza (I understand this far).

Anything that restrict Law of Faith / Spirit of God may be made null and void, and may be rearranged at any given time for repentance.

(International Law may be annulled as well if interfere with the Law of the Faith/Law of the Spirit.) Heretical Christianity may have written down these hindering and evil parts to the Law International in order to hinder and to annul the claim of Faith / restrict the work of God’s Spirt.

We understand that the validity of Old Testament is passed on to us by prophets, trough Judaism / Rabbis and also by Church.

With that, we have two legit lines who preserved authentic writings of prophets.

Holy Quran was not written down by prophet Muhammed, and with that fact, all discernment must apply in specific orders that are given by the Church / first Generation of Chrsitianity. The Scripture must be read and interpreted in the exactly same Spirit that was written /given in order to be applied as Faith-valid.

The Word of the Spirit “is written / given” means much different than that which is “passed down” — that which is written by the prophets is given and / or passed down by the prophets.

That what prophets did write down and what was also passed down by authentic preservation until the time of Jesus Christ. We know that it was wholly authentic at least by then as it was confirmed authentic by Jesus Christ, and then after Jesus Christ was also passed down by the Church and Rabbis. (Ancient Rabbis were very humble in their process of Sacred text preservation).

We have two sources of preservation, therefore of authentic revelation that was written down by the prophets, and passed down by the prophets. (Yes, Church Charismatic has contained the prophets during firs generationa and after, and Judisam has contained the prophets as well).

With that one can be in confused spirit of their mind and dismiss valid Faith-claims. Holy Land Territory and claims of the Jewish Faith can not be dismissed on the base of some undiscerned texts within Holy Quran and /or “mouth to mouth” myths — but then also reduced to myths and wishes of some false Christianity along with some Arabs that practice witchcraft by undiscerned religion of their text that is not part of Sacred Revelation in Holy Quran to prophet Muhamed.

If the truth / authenticity of Old and New Testament is rejected how it is dismissed? In this way can and would be:

a) “Old and New Testament are written down by heretics?”
b) “Old and New Testament are passed down by heretics?”
c) ” “Old and New Testament are misread, misinterpreted by heretics and misapplied? = Religion.”

These are huge diffractions to these things.

The correct answer is: c) “Old and New Testament are misread. misinterpreted by heretics?” that create “Religion” by spirit of their evil minds.

There is no error in Old and New Testament (there are grammatical errors; however, and it is only a human error / spiritual attack during preservation of the Secrets Texts.

Once again, ecclesiastically illegal landmarks in Holy Land are never without consequence.

Church crimes are visibly manifested in heretical Christianity of the past and present.

Ecclesiastically Illegal landmarks are dangerous ecclesiastical crimes.

They are equally dangerous ecclesiastical crimes as dangerous and was ecclesiastically Illegal to change “things that the evil one, the Satan-devils did sown in the past of the Church.”

With that when an individual is demanding any change to any part of that and doing that without corporate approval under prophetic anointing in the Church is of Antichrist spirit and not of God and His Spirit. (Acts that are illegal by the order of the Gospel).

The Gospel does not allow for any change — not at any point in time just to anyone. This just would not be so in the Body of Christ that is at work in the Church when comes to the Order of the Church, Teaching Ofice of the Church, and the Law of the Church.

There are specific orders that are not heretical, but heretics call those orders of the Church heretical.

With that, forbidden heresies were sweets / the pleasant taste and aromas that was wanted by lawless — and always wanted, while thinking that they were doing themselves a favor of their own will’s behave covered up as good deed in the will of God — such as a divorce of Church marriage without just reason against a woman that was in a marriage with a sexual immoral pagan king that was never in Faith of the Church but in blasphemy of God’s Spirit and Satanic seal.

Just as English king, Martin Luther was a sexual immoral heretic as well who has fallen off from Faith of the Church by sexual immoral relationship and generational sin irrevocable. He demanded and has implemented changes that were illigal for Church: Lawlesness.
Protestant and Catholic wars were manifestation of evil in Catholics and Protestants who did not abide by the Gospel in that time.

When people practice sexual immorality the Church is not required to give them divorce or to even hear what they have to say unless they are in confession with Charismatic priest, and unless spouse in the Church gives them a divorce / leaves them — the spouse is not willing to live with unrepentant sexually immoral person and / or is also unbeliever as spouse and who does the same sexual immorality — a Church divorces that was initiated my ongoing sexual immorality within a marriage (open will of a marriage in satanic power / spirit of that).

Unless a marriage was disrupted and/ or defiled by wickedness of the marriage breaking witchcraft-spirit in the evil-Church-members who aim to frustrate and destroy the children of the Church and who were / are of Satan and who worked / work against any marriage within the Church — not two married individuals against each other is the case always.

All this evil British monarchs have done in the past and are certainly a line under satanic seals and blasphemy of God’s Spirit, and do not graft in without full Baptism in God’s Spirit or rejection of their way of rule by “common grace” and by that “common grace” may be grafted in back into the Church Charismatic and Faith of the Church that is under teaching office, order and Law of the Spirit.

I certainly denounce false Christianity that is outside the Order, the Teaching and Law of the Spirit / Canon Law — when is not Charismatic (under Grace / Baptism of God’s Spirit) individually.

Once again, I repeat that the territory of Holy Land has to be in neutral /diplomatic in status of some overlapping armistice lines between Egypt Jordan and Israel. (I would not worry with other Arab nations that are in Holy Land Teritory or Israel outside Holy Land Territory).

We have two majority of peoples in Holy Land Jews and Arabs.

Two primary spiritual authority (Isalm and Judaism) it is as well, and not only can and should but also need to overlap in work for certain period of time until Jews and Arabs are able to be tolerant and live as two nations of people in Holy Land well enough along each other and along with other exiles that will integrate/Immigrants into the Holy Land.

David,

I read what you said about mandate of Palestine and it was just as ringing heard. I wondered before if all that was initiated under some prophetic direction.

I am starting to believe that all that took place in 1922 was, in fact, initiated under some prophetic anointing – if you look pattern of things that took place after that. There was a huge attack (in spiritual and natural) over Jewish people just hindering and destroying force that I believe was not allowed by God. That is, it was not from God and it was not allowed by God.

I do not have full understanding and each point of time to understand all of that fully.

I only have few details on all of this, and I can only hope to understand when exactly colonialism took on grip in Holy Land. (By the Jews or was it against the Jews?) Moreover, then also spiritual and natural attacks were manifested in Holy Land and outside, as well.

I do not know what point in time exactly was each and how all of them looked like in order to see and understand who did what and why.

I am thinking that the colonialism never was with Jews, and was self-defense – but from what?

There was first spiritual thing: Landmark in Joran (spiritual manifestation against Holy Land).

Then it was Holocaust.

I do wonder when British colonialism did stop (before or after Landmark in Jordan?)

Was it after Holocaust that it did stop? Was it after initiation of Israel as a state?

Did German nazism start just after British colonialism has stopped?

Has British colonialism come to a stop?

those patterns — I do not understand this

What were the patterns? What are disruption of them and how do they look like?

Look at all Arab and Western colonialism patterns, and then see how and if Jewish colonialism fits in. Is not any part of it?

I have no insight in any of this. I can not think on this any further.

Still, I believe the way things are done matters (what comes first and what comes last?)

What was the first is the last option or the first option is the solution? The problem it self is the solution?
I have many questions and no answers.

I have to tell you something:

Today I was out, and as I was walking when youth distracted and has stopped me — so we got to talk, and I find out that he was from Israel.

Last time this happened it was probably about three years ago, and it was an Israeli girl that stopped me. This time was a lad — just past adolescent age. Also, there was another young adult with him who also was just about same age.

As a young adult was showing me things, he was going about, and as we were talking I asked him “Do you know how to fix Palestine-Israeli issues?”… “Do you have any ideas?” He said, “No, I do not know.” He just started telling me how things are just not going nowhere with all of that, and was not knowing what to say about it, and started telling me other things.

While telling me some other things; he just turned toward other young adult that was with him. I heard him saying something in Hebrew, and that pretty loudly — as this young adult was just a bit further from us and actually could not hear from all noise around.

So he was turned toward us, and he said, “Negotiations.”

David,

I have to tell you that I have realised that I was corrected by you on serval occasions — as my conscience has witnessed to me those corrections by Spirit of God alone.

I believe in humble submission to God when in submission to another trough Faith — I find no other submission toward God.

When we limit our self to limitations of others — there is unlimited power and authority that is invoked trough Spirit of God — who has always moved as ever existing and ever sustaining force over creation.

Now, these things are a miracle and miracles, in fact. We do not understand it — but have a revelation that there is such force that holds all elements in their place. How does this take place we do not know — we just know some types of sustaining power manifested in things that are visible.

I think that I have to post a video link about a miracle that I came across a while ago – still, I am not moved to do so, at this point.

Another thing that moves me:

A Note – but this is not personal note to you; it is for all:

It was either late 2010 or early 2011 when I wrote this piece/fraction of the study on Romans ch 13 as a part of correspondence with a person while @ LU.

Then, after that — I was online with some ugly Irish in August 2011, and I passed this on to him, as well.

I find it so relevant, and also appropriate to offer as an explanation to all of you who can accept my explanation and excuse:

(So you get a sense of a joke when comes to the ordination of a woman in the Church Catholic – that which we reject by the Faith of Church and teaching that is Apostolic. Still, occasionally we will say, “Oh, Whatever!”)

(c.f. Romans 13)?

In Roman’s chapter 12, Apostle Paul gives servile instructions to the Church in Rome. When we come to chapter 13, part of that instruction is to submit to governing authorities. Douglass Moo writes that there are two reasons why to submit: Because of ordinance of God and justice.[1] Thomas Schreiner adds, “Believers express their commitment to God in how they relate to rulers and the law of the state.[2] He is affirming to the Roman Church that all authorities that exist are appointed by God, because God himself is the only valid authority, so it is He who appointed those authorities in the first place. When there is a rebellion against God appointed authorities, there is a direct rebellion against God, and that rebellion against the authority of God will be met with an appropriate judgment of God (v. 1-2).

Then, Paul is teaching about the function of authorities that are appointed by God, which includes an arrangement of social order and social justice. Nevertheless, throughout the Scripture, whether God was using the Nation of Israel to accomplish His will in the world, He was equally using the pagan governments to accomplish His will on the earth. While God used different nations for different purposes, He still was in full authority over them, because all humanity is His creation, whether Jews or Gentiles. Paul instructs both Jews and Gentiles in the Church of Rome to submit to authorities, because they are appointed to administer both good and evil (v.3-4). Paul instructs the Church in Rome to be obedient to the will of God, and submit to authorities, not only because of the fear of judgment, but also because of retaining a healthy conscience. Paul teaches that appointed authorities are there to continuously meet the needs of society; that is, its social order and social justice, and because their work is parallel with will of God, they shall receive God’s providence for their work in society (v.5—6). In verse 7 Paul summarizes Christian responsibility to the civil authority: “Render therefore to all their due: taxes whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor whom honor.” Nevertheless, Paul is teaching that you do not owe anything, but you do it out of love for another. With that, Paul starts teaching the commandments of God, according to the Old Testament.

Compare to Jesus’ statements regarding one’s responsibility to government.

In the Gospel’s we read that Christ Jesus was challenged by Pharisees who sent their disciples with Herodians to test Christ and ask him if is lawful to pay taxes to Cesar. They wanted to know if it is lawful to pay the taxes to the Gentile-ruler over them. Christ understanding their way of hypocrisy, asks them to show him the money with which they pay taxes. When they did, He asks them, “Whose image and inscription is this?” They said, “Caesar’s.” Then he said to them, “Render therefore to the Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s” (Matthew 22.16—21; Mark 12.13—17; Luke 20. 20—26).

According to Paul’s summary, therefore we see that, both Christ Jesus and Paul are teaching the Gospel according to Revelation in the Old Testament. If there are taxes to pay, it is to be paid according to the laws of the governments, to King or to the rulers. If there are customs, what kind of customs is there to be observed? Even fear those who are to be feared. Honor who is to be honored; therefore, Christ is teaching, to the disciples of Pharisees and Herodians, pretty much to figure out that which belongs to Caesar and must be given to him, and that which belongs to God and must be rendered unto Him. Disciples of Pharisees and Herodians would be familiar with Old Testament teaching and would know what is written.

What is the precedent of the early church in the book of Acts in regard to obedience to government?

According to the Book of Acts, disciples ware called to fulfill the requirements of their Commissions, and so they preached the Gospel as the Spirit moved them, both to Jews and to the Gentiles. Therefore, disciples were consistently dealing with Jewish Leadership and Gentile governments, as they preached the Gospels. Paul, however, gives an example of a submitted life when he was dealing with the Roman government. Paul also claimed his Roman citizenship (by birth) when he was about to receive lashes; but only to inform Romans solders (who acquired Roman citizenship with a large sum) that it may be illegal for Romans to flog a man who is a Roman citizen and has not been brought to a trial. Nevertheless, when Paul was brought in front of Ananias (who was a high priest, and Paul did not know that) has also harshly rebuked Ananias for breaking the Law, but he likewise was rebuked by Ananias because Paul started to curse Ananias, for Paul found him braking the Law. Nevertheless, when the Jewish conspiracy continued against him, that pushed Paul to deal with Roman government, Paul also appealed to Caesar (Acts 22-24). But in Philippians we learn that Paul also was converting the household of Caesar, (Paul was in Rome when he wrote the letter to the Philippians), and while he was submitted to the Cesar’s government (ch.4 v. 22). Nevertheless, Paul turned and judged the Elymas, the false prophet, Jewish magician Bar-Jesus, who interfered with Paul’s teaching of the Gospel to the Roman proconsul Sergius Paulus, when he was on his first missionary journey (Acts 13. 4—12). Paul instructed young Timothy to pray and give thanks to God for rulers and others in authority, so that there is a quiet and peaceful living (1 Timothy 2.1—2).

How do we apply these biblical principles today?

“Render therefore to the Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s,” according to the Gospel.

Paul teaches submission in his letters. Submission is a powerful spiritual warfare against evil forces, because Christ Himself was submitted, and His submission had the power to crush Satan’s power for all ages. When we think about that which Apostle Paul is teaching, it is clear that Paul himself was one according to Christ, giving an example of Christ. Nevertheless, submission is a humbling for human nature, and it is not welcomed at all, because human nature rebels against ordinance of God. When one is not submitted to will of God, that person was not humbled and that person’s faith is built on a shaking grounds.

Paul in general teaches submission, simply because the submission is an ordinance that God requires. God Himself is a God of order, in fact a perfect order. God in His creative design has established an orderly humanity and it was good; however, when humanity fell under sin, that governing order that was established was violated and was lost among humanity. With that, God has used few individuals to partially direct social orders, which was lost. Because His supreme governance included different accomplishments in the world, He then (according to His will and plan), allowed for different functions of the governments which He established, for rule over the humanity. While Christianity is only required to obey God, the same Christianity will submit to even evil government by faith, or will be delivered from evil governments, by faith.

What Paul is referring to in Roman’s 13 is more for sake of keeping the social order (according to the will of God and purpose). Christianity, in general does not fall under any earthly laws or governments, nor does owe, nor is to owe anything to anyone but love, but is there to assist governments in their dealings within societies, for it is ultimately God’s dealing which are being accomplished, according to His plans.
Blessings,

According to the Gospel teaching and the teaching of Paul, the submission to the government as a ruler of society primarily honors God, because He Himself appointed those rulers to administrate both good and evil. Now, when Paul is speaking about responsibility to pay taxes, he is referring to the submission to the social order within the society; that is, recognizing appointed governments for their work in society. And if we carful read Romans chapter 13, Paul connects love and the commandments in the context of tax-dues. Christians owe nor are to owe nothing including (taxes) to anyone, but only love; therefore, out of charity and keeping God’s commandments, taxes are paid without complaints and foremost out of love. While Christianity out of love will give abundantly to the governments in order for them to administer without lacking resources, the same Christianity may not consider a government much effective in their administration and providence or wordy of any respect. So it is only God whom we honor when we give for others to receive, as citizens, as rulers; it is always a way of charity, for Christianity. Because it is irrelevant for Christianity what government does when comes to their earthly social order and justice; it is no doubt that God is in full authority over that. God uses governments to deal with people, and trough the governments he can allow both good and evil upon a society. So, “Render therefore to all their due: taxes whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor whom honor,” as Paul said in Romans.

Almost at finishing line 🙂
It has been a rocky for me this semester, but I am pressing on :)! Without Joy and Peace; it is impossible to keep up.

Blessings 😉

BIBLIOGRAPHY
Moo, Douglas J. Encountering the Book of Romans: A Theological Survey. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 2002
Schreiner, Thomas R. Romans: Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1998.
[1] Moo, Douglas J. Encountering the Book of Romans: A Theological Survey. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 2002
[2] Schreiner, Thomas R. Romans: Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1998.

A Note:

I do not believe there is another option for Israeli but the Jordan option.

There is and it was way to much that was going on.

No Jew policy in the Holy Land Territory will not be possible for the future generetions. Arab attitude toward Jewish presence in Holy Land can not ignored, as well as other things past / present. (That which is not of people with reason and conscience).

We can go weary in correcting what British did. Why are we not?

First, Palestinian people have to attain full knowledge what British and Jordan did. Do they have to do that, and how long will take for Palastenians to understand what is going on?

They do not need to know iminently. Is it that the only thing they need to know is “right now /present time” — that — what Jews did and are doing now?

Alternatively, they have to forget, and not even learn what British and Jordan did, just as they need to forget what their ancestors did?

We can cycle on generational issues, and that is all what can be done until enough people in Holy Land understand their History books — when any available to them.

Well, do Palestinian, and Jewish people /majority have to study all these things in order to understand what are their conditions and rights in Holy Land? Not imminently.

Well, someone can get a course curriculum ready to go for the next semesters in Palastenisns / Jewish University about the Historical Facts.

However, no more than 3% will be of understanding. Kids often are brain-washed, so that they can’t dicern their right hand from the left one. But how can they? As long as few of some with understanding does not toil day and night for them — there will be no better future that one in their will-power can prepare.

It is satanic cycle that they are dealing with, and it is not by Jews implemented. It was Jordan and British — when Jordan was established, first.

May God have some protective force and Grace toward trapped people in Holy Land. All things are works of vanity, except saving few lives.

Those who are in Satanic seals and blasphemy of God’s Spirit only do evil, and no imminent consequence to them selfs. They bring condemnation and scandal to their seed, and their seeds seed.

What I understand is this; Jordan’s negotiations with Israel would not mean that Palestinian people would be robbed in Holy Land. (Not by anyone who will go about bringing Israel and Jordan to their senses).

There are few things that need to be addressed to Israel and Jordan.

Holy Land has to be given back to the population in Holy Land.

Palestinian people do not understand — or do understand but do not acknowledge that it was British and Jordan who have cut into the territory in Holy Land on their own. Do even Jews recognize and say that is so? What are the consequences of that bondage to evil of the past things?

What I understood is that British was into their evil strategic games with Arabs, and this is what happened: their evil will did so — so that exiles are cut off from the Holy Land. Likewise, who so ever supported them in this vile work is responsible, as well, for all the bloodshed between Arabs and Jews.

We have majority of two people in Holy Land that are terribly tripped into the curse and also condemnation that can be everlasting, if unbroken… while those who are responsible for the guilt of the blood enjoy their accursed things that they perceive to be Holy to them in the guilt of blood — roasted chestnuts for an example.

People can enjoy their manners (as their ancestors did) and enjoy it while doing evil things — but that counts for nothing to them not now, and not everlastingly. (I do not mean to be vicious saying this; it is exactly how it is with these matters, and acknowledge condemnation and judgment of their spiritual excommunication).

They did evil things to the Holy Land – they did eccalistical lawlessness to the Holy Land and people in Holy Land. However, the people are the one who have fell under curse of generational sins and also unjust suffering, as well as all exiles in the Land.

Jordan has to give things back what was stolen between Jordan and British when Jordan was established. They have to get out their evil contract with British. It is eccalistical evil contract to remain with descendants in Holy Land, and on descendants of those who have done such evil.

Bristish works of the past /present /future have to be cut off along with all their evil works to the Holy Land — as the next generations of theirs can only repent of all evil that ancestors of those people did.

It was Jordan along wit British that did robbing in Holy Land. Holy Land is eccalistical kingdom, as are the Landmarks because of that it deserves to be neutral, and Jordan has to annul their Landmark in Holy Land.

I believe less and less that Israel is the wrong position / place demanding to presevere in Holy Land — as people of Jewish Faith and / or sects / religions are to be integrating.

However, they can not, nor they should do that by warfare in natural terms.

No one except prophets and anointed grafts in and is justified by Faith or works of Righteousness of Law by Faith among Jews and Arabs as long as Holy Land is mess of British and others making.

Church is only here to point put few facts. This is why: Medieval haun (plus few other haun’s) did much-lasting evil — they were devil directed, and in that power were much effective.

I believe that Israel nd Jordan have to seek solutions that will correct conditions in Holy Land. I believe that lay-people /majority of the population in Holy Land did not enter evil agreements with British, and lay-people will not be able to correct it.

Lay people can be in a consistent guilt of blood works and that without one single generation to be grafted in (spiritually).

Guilt of blood is devil directed, and it is the devil directed for this reason: to cut off spiritually as many as possible. Satanic seals and Blasphemy of God’s Spirit does that — and the host of those things is devil-blinded to any of that — they are just in spirit of evil for generations.

People in Holy Land need no evil such as that to themselves to go on — the cycle satanic has to be broken off.

I believe that Rome’s Charismatic and ordained nuncios have to oversee things between Israel and Jordan. Israel’s agreement with Rome / Vatican is null and void by the Law of the Church. It is to be annulled. They were not in their right minds — they acted in schizophrenic way and order of that / things of the air /evil spirits of their minds.

Gene,

I have no point to make. I do like to indicate this: there were some forced conversions of Jews in Holy Land.

Concerning the theory; I do not feel or think that there is any theory, at all. Theory is not applicable to the issues of the Faith. It just is not, but we all can judge things ourselves, and see what fits where, if at all there is individual judgment that is applicable, so to say.

This is what I understand:

It is both religion and the race. However, the lineage itself can be thrown off when women that intermarried with Hebrews apart from Hebrew Faith (illegitimate religious marriages).

By that then the race / tribes do no carry “inheritance line or gene of Hebrews” (of Faith or of race) by and trough the “spirit of religion” in essence, plus to that the “works of death/dead works” of that “spirit” become effective, in all just by that.

I do not dwell too much on the right or wrongs, but rather what makes things to be right or wrong.

I am looking at this from the perspective of the Old Testament and the Law of the Spirit, as well as New Testament and Law of the Spirit — all warnings by the Scripture when comes to no intermarry illegitimately / marriages that are illegitimate with unbelievers (but not any race, itself).

This was always so since we now that even David, the King, who was anointed by Samuel, and then anointed by the elders of Judeah, in fact, was also offspring of the linage that came from other tribe / race (a Moab female) that was in faith of Old Testament.

With that, it is both religion and the race. The other race / linage was only legitimate under provision of the Faith / Old Testament.

Are we thinking same thing, only from the another perspective?

I do not accept any “religion” in essence, as has nothing to do with the Faith that is authentic, and order of the Faith.

I already have indicated that Zionism needs correction, still I do not think or believe that all Zionist are up to some hasbarish rubbish, in all, but there are plenty facts that need to be sorted out.

One fact is that Arabs were practicing forced conversions and acquired land in the ways that were an ecclesiastical illegal, and are illegitimately settlers / offspring of another tribe / residence: Egypt and defilement of it? (Just as Western tribes are to New World/US)? And was/is there Grace in all of that?

One fact is that Arabs were practicing forced conversions in Holy Land.

Is this why “state of Israel” is in their back yard, so to say? Egypt and harlot of Gaza may be a problem for the Samson of this day in Holy Land? Alternatively, it could be that Sara’s sin that is with her and her offspring for all generation? We know that Children of Abraham are a great nation, by and trough Faith and Spirit of the Faith alone –as there is no difference between Jew or Non-Jew.

It was always just as that.

I do not know since there is more than one Biblical fact that is observable in these times. I do not understand anything, without understanding sins / generational sins. I do not know – that is just somewhat like a standardized way, in general.

I am Church-Charismatic, and I will say things as such as for long now I am not fed with milk of spiritual bottle, in a way. But you understand that yourself.

Gene,

I cant add to your faith, and you cant add to my reason, I believe.

My Father (as well as my mother) were Charismatic-Church long before I fell under harsh spiritual attack. It had nothing to do with generational curse or sin on anything my family line has done or I.

I made a decision to not know anything, except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. (A rational and historical fact).

Once I made the decision, understanding followed by Spirit of God.

The Book to Colossians is a Church letter of correction. In this epistle, you will find poetic lines (1.15-20) concerning who Christ of Nazareth was / is and what He represents in comparison to “Creation” and “Redemption.”

In Philippians you will understand the work of God’s Spirit – who alone has and bears significance in the Name, and by the Name as “Emanuel” which is interpreted as “God with us” – according to the Gospel of Matthew.

To suffer in the Name of Jesus Christ was always a privilege, according to the writings of Paul to Philippians, who made known that Christian joy is independent from outward conditions, as the joy itself is vested in fellowship with the risen and glorified Jesus Christ.

In the Church letter to Colossians we read that there is no reason to fear “hocus-pocus” / reason to fear demonic spirit-powers or to seek (by superstitions) for some sort of protection from them because Jesus Christ has neutralized their power at the Cross of Calvary (2.5).

To nail a sin to the Cross of Christ and trade it for the joy that comes from God (the Spirit of God) is not possible for everyone.

Christ of Nazareth by Spirit of God is supreme over all evil, and in Him all man-made judgments /distinction fade away and barriers man-made fall.

He is a Life and Leadership of the Church, and to Him alone may Church submit trough Spirit of God. Who is sufficient for these things?

It is impossible to submit Spirit of God that is in Church-Charismatic to anything else, except to the finished work of Cross, that is Jesus Christ.

I am telling you that in rational I do not know anything except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

This, in fact, will be a stench of death or fragrance of Life. What I say is in demonstration of God’s Spirit, and no wisdom in rational terms.

Is this what you do not understand? Or do you not understand baptism in God’s Spirit and blessing to / grafting in of all tribes / families of the earth / mankind?

The Church can add The Spirit and Life of God (joy of God) to anyone who accepts free Gift of the Spirit who was sent into the world. The Spirit of truth, the Spirit of wisdom and understanding by which Faith multiples.

“So be it?” Not from this corner.

You are hilarious Gene, as you see I can’t submit you to my Faith and reason, and you can’t submit me to your reason – we can enjoy the same day and not the season?

This, too, is a civil and acceptable in a way? I believe.

Gene, you are right.

Church that is valid has never made a claim against reason and conscience and freedom of conscience in relationship to Faith and reason.

First generation of Christianity exsamined, everything, concerning the claims of Faith–they looked at manifestation/reason of the Faith and works of it. They applied sound judgment by and trough Spirit of their minds.

Faith without reason is as same as Faith without Spirit and conscience, in a way.

As humans we certanly have concance that will be impresed by Spirit, and also infused by dictates of Gods Spirit when something very wrong is going on spiritually or naturaly — or against the Spirit of Faith. Then, we can reason what it may be that is not in agreement with our conscience and Spirit.

Violating someone’s conscience is not as same as reasoning with someone and telling them about truth that is objective.

Truth in Spirit is simple, and not complicated, and does not impose against free will or conscience, and it does not any vile. Still, we all are just humans.

We only have few options, and It’s best to pick the best.

Gene apologizes to Richard for occupying so much space discussing what is actually off topic from the original post. However, when some commenters go so far off I feel it is necessary to remind them. Richard did well with his response to David Singer, and I hope I’ve heard the last of him. As for Kata, she has every right to her faith and her beliefs based on that faith, but I do not believe that when discussing secular issues such as those brought up in the two interviews comprising this blog post, there is room to consider what God would offer as solutions. Spirituality may bring comfort to some, but it solves no problems in the secular world.

Professor Falk,

I understand what you are saying, and I agree with that.

I never have dwelled on anything of importance, as I was only observing evil things during enormous spiritual attack and spiritual warfare.

This is what I have understood over some time:

Love is not anything that is acquired by the spirit of religion. There has to be Faith and Spirit of the Faith in order to love another person, as we would love God that may or may not be present with them.

Concerning secular and religious issues I find this fact relevant: if we are in pursuit of secular issues trough religious dictates that become destructive. This destructive can have its roots in our personal inclinations (personal bewitchment – or bewitchment of our day) or generational patterns.

I like to use word “bewitchment.”

This is the reason for that: I know that Apostle Paul clearly distinguishes unrighteousness just by that tiny little word, in his application. (We find that word once in New Testament, and is used by Apostle Paul in the letter to the Church in Galatia).

Whatever thing against the Faith and Spirit of Faith in the body of any believers (or even secular society) — we know whether Muslim, Christians or Jews become unrighteousness that is, in fact, based on bewitchment and spirit of that.

Now, often it is so that the secular society cannot stomach “spirit of religion” due to healthy conscience – or just can’t stomach Law of the Spirit because it is more then what their conscience can bear. This is different.

If we look at the Secret text (Special Revelation) and claim something by that text – we can also look what Natural Revelation tells us, as well. Natural Revelation, in fact, tells us that there were and is generational sin in the line of Arabs that were conquering the people and tribes in Holy Land, but not only Holy Land.

We do focus on Holy Land issues, in all here, however.

Those ancient generational sins are judicially active from the spiritual perspective.

How do you tell anyone about their generational sins—or personal for matter of fact? Well, you do not tell them, unless, they must know. Why would they need to reflect on that? They need to reflect on that because it is stronghold that keeps them captive in the very works that they are naturally and also spiritually: “We have no Faith, and we have no Love—we behave as uncultivated barbarians always have had.”

Is this truth hoped for now for people in Holy Land and future truth to the Holy Land?

Every generation must repent of their generational sin — or those sins are inheritance passed on just to the next generation. What sins — we wonder? If I said that I do not know sins of humans, I would lie.

Sin-broken lives in Holy Land, generational sins-broken lives in Holy Land.

That is not life that God has intended for humans (when we dare to claim to know about His existence and His nature).

God will allow evil and sin he will let be, but will also stop evil and will annul sin. Anyone who accepts warning of God’s Spirit and baptism in God’s Spirit is the one stops and stops evil by their free will and on behave of God’s will, and good of all.

We are in no wishful thinking but Hope that Holy Land is the epicenter from which God will roar up waves of His Spirit and restoration of the world and human existence in natural, as we believe it will be in Spiritual.

We only believe that others are submitted to this same hope.

However, what is it that they hope for? That which is written? Much is written. That which is written down by the prophets? That which even natural revelation is asking for? To that alone is the hope to which the Spirit of God that is in the Church can submit to anyone.

We certainly do not submit anyone to hope in undiscerned text / misinterpretation of the text and spirit of religion, that is and would be bewitchment / witchcraft. But let’s ask our self’s this: are they given over to that? Well, the prophets and anointed never are or will be — they will discern their things.

By Spirit of God, we can both reveal and retain sins – to forgive and not forgive. The sins are revealed to others so that they may repent as children of Faith and love for another.

Irrevocable sins are not in relationship of Faith or love by which children of Faith live, and God Himself has to intervene in order to annul irrevocable sins, as they are only in judgment of God /condemnation that is everlasting.

Judgment by the Gospel of God will reveal and retains sins and does not forgive them in their will-power or love for another. Women that are ordained just do not; it will be Charismatic celibate and an ordained priesthood who will forgive sins and annual irrevocable sins by Spirit of God that is in Church-Charismatic.

For the fact, we know that when they lay their holy lands on anyone they will not nor can transfer witchcraft spirits onto anyone. Church-Charismatic is not in the same condition that was during the first generation of Christianity, and for that reasons our priesthood is that is Charismatic, ordained and is celibate.

The doctrine of the Faith is systematic, and it does not move because it is anchored in Law of the Spirit.

What I say is certainly subject to discerning and correction, even annulment/removal.

If something is removed of the Spirit and without valid prompting of the Spirit, against the will of the Spirit; it will not be sustained as removed or annulled, and for this reason: the move of the Spirit will correct that.

What Gene has said can be also added on to.

Religion does not fix secular issues; it can inane it, in fact. The Spirit of Faith will only empower others to imagine impossible accomplished.

Secular issues cannot fix things of religion and spirits of it, as the Faith, the Spirit of Faith, the Law of Spirit and the Law of Faith must be active to expose and remove that.

Professor Falk, I believe that the Faith, the Spirit of Faith, the Law of Spirit and the Law of Faith must be active — we have to let it be active.

I am amazed that David is here and is it just impossible that he is just babbling? It looks to me that he is not going anywhere. What does he want? An anew Landmarks to the Holy Land?

Professor Falk, you are much loved, and your undertaking is blessed and is multiplied.